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Sasuke Vs Vegeta (Saiyan Saga)
Topic Started: Aug 1 2014, 03:41 AM (2,908 Views)
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Who takes this? Ems sasuke vs saiyan saga vegeta.
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That's what would happen, just switch Sasuke with the Saibaman.
Also, to be fair, Saibaman has basically the PL and thus the durability of Raditz, who casually tanked this:

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So yeah, Sasuke is ending up way worse than the Saibaman here.
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Prove to me the Amaterasu is strong. This is Naruto man. Their destructive capabilities are s*** compared to even Master Roshi. All Naruto has is Genjutsu(which should also be against rules since it's always brought up as an insta-win <_< ). Blowing up the continent isn't against the rules. It's creating an explosion big enough to hit him regardless of his speed. How do you know the Amaterasu would burn him? Heat is a non-factor since we don't know what Vegeta's capacity is. Good luck hurting Vegeta while his guard is down. Even in the Saiyajin arc, his powered down mode is still stronger than Goku using Kaioken. Vegeta is also tactical. He's gonna mess with him at first, sure, but when Sasuke starts irritating him, the gloves are off.
I meant to put Amaterasu Arrow up there..

Again blowing up s*** is DBZ's domain just because other series can't do it doesn't make them weak, kind of hard to blow up a continent without killing yourself also.

Just because we don't know Vegeta's capacity doesn't mean we can just outright say 6000 degrees does nothing to him, I agree it wouldn't kill him instantly or anything but it would eventually kill him no matter how experienced he is he's never had his whole body on fire that's at least 6000 degrees.


As for Kiai, I believe it could maybe repel Amaterasu as it was flying towards the intended victim but not blow it off, it doesn't work the same way as Shinra Tensei, ST is a fairly absolute technique from the power of the series Gods, same as all the other Rinnegan techs.
A simple Kiai is no way going to be as hax, imo.

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That Sasuke can't seem to aim for s*it, unless you've forgotten the Kage Summit. If I recall correctly the Raikage rather effectively smashed through the Blaze Release variant and Susano'o Sasu was rocking. And Vegeta's actively a mountain crusher in the Saiyan Saga on physical strength. So yeah. Not a weak technique, Itachi was a very effective Amaterasu user.


Show me Vegeta doing anything remotely similar to crushing a mountain with sheer physical strength and I'll believe that. It never happens.

Also Raikage smashed through a pretty small shield of Susano'o when Sasuke had pretty much just started using it, he still got fire all over him the stuff sticks like glue.


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Sasuke is Kurenai at best with his Genjutsu. He's good, but he's not Itachi good.


True but he's still easily good enough, how does Vegeta counter watching Sasuke get burnt to a crisp, and powering down then getting mutilated? Sasuke might not be able to freely control time in his Genjutsu like Itachi but he can use it for deception amazingly well, he would no doubt just do what he done to Deidara only Vegeta has no idea it could happen.


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I dunno, lose the armor? Again, Raikage really didn't seem to care much, and Kankuro just ripped the armor off of the Samurai. Apparently it doesn't actually burn through anything if you're not Itachi. Who is exactly who Sasuke isn't.


He does this without touching the fire how? Kanuro pulled the armour off the guy with chakra strings, everyone else was told not to touch it.
Unless Saiyan armour has the magical ability to come off whenever the user wills it, not happening plus it's thin fabric wouldn't last that long it'd just melt on to his skin and cause more pain.


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Also, to be fair, Saibaman has basically the PL and thus the durability of Raditz, who casually tanked this:

That's hardly a big explosion is it, if how much is sploded in DB is all that matters then that sukz.



Also Vegeta is not easily dealing with Perfect Susano'o, Madara's can casually cut several mountains with just the shockwave from a swing it doesn't need energy blasts to mess the landscape up it's damn powerful in it's own right.
That was a heavily weakened Madara too so Sasuke's should definitely be around that level.
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So destroying mountains with the swing of your fists is better than making a planet lvl guy cough up blood with a punch? Lol
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@Steve Piccolo is a casual moon buster at that point in the series. This is dbz. The explosion was small but by no means was it weak. We see that throughout the series
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Also, to be fair, Saibaman has basically the PL and thus the durability of Raditz, who casually tanked this

That's hardly a big explosion is it, if how much is sploded in DB is all that matters then that sukz.


That's the same, exact blast which vaporizes the moon, casually:

http://cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/d8/d8cb457e3927399eb322e1abf8c6b378373c413355738aa7ec400dae.jpg
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Also, if you say that this kind of blast isn't powerful because of its small explosion, then you don't understand the logic of power of DBZ, since Gohan's headbutt brought no explosion at all but it was many times more powerful than Piccolo's casual moonbusting attack; I can give you so many examples of this kind it's not even funny, like Freeza's death beams: they bring zero explosions, but they are thousands of times more powerful than Piccolo's casual moonbusting blast.

Raditz tanked a moonbuster on his face without breaking a sweat, a Saibaman would do the same, since his power level equals Raditz's, and a two fingers-wave of Ki from Vegeta is enough to make said Saibaman implode; Sasuke, on the other hand, unlike the Saibaman, would be atomized by Piccolo's blast, and this is a spite thread.

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Also, to be fair, Saibaman has basically the PL and thus the durability of Raditz, who casually tanked this

That's hardly a big explosion is it, if how much is sploded in DB is all that matters then that sukz.


That's the same, exact blast which vaporizes the moon, casually:

http://cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/d8/d8cb457e3927399eb322e1abf8c6b378373c413355738aa7ec400dae.jpg
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Also, if you say that this kind of blast isn't powerful because of its small explosion, then you don't understand the logic of power of DBZ, since Gohan's headbutt brought no explosion at all but it was many times more powerful than Piccolo's casual moonbusting attack; I can give you so many examples of this kind it's not even funny, like Freeza's death beams: they bring zero explosions, but they are thousands of times more powerful than Piccolo's casual moonbusting blast.

Raditz tanked a moonbuster on his face without breaking a sweat, a Saibaman would do the same, since his power level equals Raditz's, and a two fingers-wave of Ki from Vegeta is enough to make said Saibaman implode; Sasuke, on the other hand, unlike the Saibaman, would be atomized by Piccolo's blast, and this is a spite thread.
It was a joke because most of you guys say that since they can blow up planets they're more powerful than any character who can't.

I mean blowing up stuff isn't THAT great really it's just DBZ's thing.


People who think being able to blow up stuff > al, riddle me this.

You have SSjGod Vegito, who can blow up half the universe.
And then you have this magical gun that can kill anything in one shot and never misses, obviously it can kill Vegito.

What's more powerful? Something that can kill a god that effortlessly destroys half a universe or the god that effortlessly destroys have a universe?

The gun.
Obviously.

And yet, the gun doesn't blow up planets.


Consider your planet/moon/whatever buster "arguments"
Blowing up s*** is not the only way one can be powerful, some characters aren't written with as ridiculous destructive capabilities because well, it's ridiculous. They can still and do have better powers.
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Destructive power isn't the main thing in a fight obviously. But the fact that vegeta can point his finger at someone as strong as a saibamen and make them implode, means he will beat sasuke. He will check sasuke's power, notice that he has poop power level and not waste his time and just implode him. There is literally nothing sasuke can do against that. Let's say sasuke is faster. It's a non factor. It isn't something he can dodge
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@Steve, That analogy doesn't work since Sasuke doesn't have the same properties as the magical guns.

DBZ also has durability going for them, and, pertaining to this battle, Vegeta can fly, and I don't think Sasuke can do that.
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People who think being able to blow up stuff > al, riddle me this.

You have SSjGod Vegito, who can blow up half the universe.
And then you have this magical gun that can kill anything in one shot and never misses, obviously it can kill Vegito.

What's more powerful? Something that can kill a god that effortlessly destroys half a universe or the god that effortlessly destroys have a universe?

The gun.
Obviously.

And yet, the gun doesn't blow up planets.


Consider your planet/moon/whatever buster "arguments"
Blowing up s*** is not the only way one can be powerful, some characters aren't written with as ridiculous destructive capabilities because well, it's ridiculous. They can still and do have better powers.
Problem with your argument is the fact that the gun exists in the universe, and is thereby within the God's destructive capability. It's actually a question of who pulls the trigger faster, God or Gunman. Typically the omnipotent types win that. Your metaphor aside, riddle me this:

You have yet to prove to me that Sasuke can shoot for s*it, or more importantly that Raikage somehow is much stronger than Vegeta, explaining how he walked all over Uchiha while he was on fire and didn't flinch. If you can prove that Sasuke can hit an opponent of Veggie's calibur somehow when he couldn't hit the Fourth Raikage at point blank range, then I can see it. Otherwise, no. Sasuke is no Itachi, he can't operate at Vegeta's level.
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Also, to be fair, Saibaman has basically the PL and thus the durability of Raditz, who casually tanked this

That's hardly a big explosion is it, if how much is sploded in DB is all that matters then that sukz.


That's the same, exact blast which vaporizes the moon, casually:

http://cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/d8/d8cb457e3927399eb322e1abf8c6b378373c413355738aa7ec400dae.jpg
http://cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/1f/1f1fc627c234bb51983ff9cc0e7ce2d22d6aebfd80af4c90856412e8.jpg

Also, if you say that this kind of blast isn't powerful because of its small explosion, then you don't understand the logic of power of DBZ, since Gohan's headbutt brought no explosion at all but it was many times more powerful than Piccolo's casual moonbusting attack; I can give you so many examples of this kind it's not even funny, like Freeza's death beams: they bring zero explosions, but they are thousands of times more powerful than Piccolo's casual moonbusting blast.

Raditz tanked a moonbuster on his face without breaking a sweat, a Saibaman would do the same, since his power level equals Raditz's, and a two fingers-wave of Ki from Vegeta is enough to make said Saibaman implode; Sasuke, on the other hand, unlike the Saibaman, would be atomized by Piccolo's blast, and this is a spite thread.
It was a joke because most of you guys say that since they can blow up planets they're more powerful than any character who can't.

I mean blowing up stuff isn't THAT great really it's just DBZ's thing.


People who think being able to blow up stuff > al, riddle me this.

You have SSjGod Vegito, who can blow up half the universe.
And then you have this magical gun that can kill anything in one shot and never misses, obviously it can kill Vegito.

What's more powerful? Something that can kill a god that effortlessly destroys half a universe or the god that effortlessly destroys have a universe?

The gun.
Obviously.

And yet, the gun doesn't blow up planets.


Consider your planet/moon/whatever buster "arguments"
Blowing up s*** is not the only way one can be powerful, some characters aren't written with as ridiculous destructive capabilities because well, it's ridiculous. They can still and do have better powers.
Actually that gun analogy is a NLF

I'd take A guy who can blow up half the universe any day of the week

Sasuke just doesn't have what it takes to stand in vegeta's presence
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What's NLF stand for?
I'm assuming a No Limits Fallacy.
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Sasuke isn't a magical gun that can kill anything though. Genjutsu isn't an insta-win situation. If it was, it would need to be banned from versus sections. Even taking Genjutsu into account, he'd need to pin Vegeta, whom could turn Sasuke into soup with the point of his finger.
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